there are some underlying causes that's not the purview of this hearing to go into. we need to be mindful of those science. with good thank you all. i look forward to working with you for a long, long time. with that being said, this hearing is concluded. >> next week the supreme court hears oral argument on two same sex marriage cases. the first tuesday on the counsel alty of california's proposition 8. a 2008 ballot initiative amending the state's constitution to recognize marriage as only between a man and woman. en wednesday a case on the constitutionality on doma. you can listen to these on tuesday and wednesday evening at 8:00 eastern on c-span.

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it wasn't about destroying america. it was about rebuilding america. t was about having a new paradigm how we could be as we were doing the pledge in school the land of the free, the home of the brave. >> john lewis and john carlos discuss their personal experiences during the civil rights movement live tonight at 8:00 eastern part of book tv this weekend on c-span2. >> jinger gibson is a congressional reporter with politic coe and here to talk to us about congress avoiding a shutdown but first we want to talk about what's been happening the last 18 hours on in the senate. tell us about the passing of the budget. how long did it take and why? >> the senate voted for more than 13 hours straight on the

senate floor and finally arrived at 5:00 this morning on passage of a budget. the rules allow them to amend as much as they can. there are a couple of guys wanting to go until 7:00 or 8:00 this morning. luckily they stopped before that. host: for those who went to sleep at a decent hour and didn't see c-span's coverage ll night, what might they be surprised finding out what happened over night? guest: there were four that tic -- democrats voted against the democratic budget. the keystone pupe line was defeated and some amendment that is republicans were

chairing that got done, things that dealt with climate change and other environmental issues. >> now let's move on to the reason we brought you here in the first place to talk about the house and senate approved legislation to keep the government funded through september avoiding a shutdown but keeping in place the sequester. explain to us how the government funding will work thund bill. guest: they are able to continue funding government past the march 37 deadline. it was a very fine line they had to walk. republicans weren't going to sign off on something that redid the cr but there are a number of republicans who were trying to get piece of the sequester reinstated. so as a result they put together a package, a compromise mostly came together in the senate, both side working together that restores some of the funding but fleeves

place a lot of the other cuts. air traffic control towers still going to see problems. other places fur lowses will still happen. meat inspec tors spared the action a little bit. we are all making a bill big deal about the budget this week because in regular order there is a budget, there are appropriation bills and this is how government functions. in the last few years they haven't done that. without it government would have shut down. host: we are talking with ginger gibson. if you want to get involved in the conversation we'll show you some numbers in a few seconds.

>> explain to -- host: explain to us the difference between the continuing resolution and the budget passed. guest: the resolution is most likely going to become law. anything they put in that bill is going to become law. the budget is a resolution. it's not binding. it is likely going to head to conference with the house republicans but even then some of the little things we saw like a vote yesterday in the senate to repeal the medical device tax in obama care, not going to be binding. so even though they took dozens and dozens, they considered more than a hundred amendments

in the last 24 hours, none of those will have effect. t was mostly symbolic. host: we go to james. caller: everybody is complaining about government shutdown and all the situations we are dealing with. i want to ask the question why isn't anybody going back to the root of this situation when we got into this with president bush with illegal war. now president obama is bringing the soldiers back and the war is over. where are the funds from that to be utilized back into society and all the oil we got from you is dam hugh sane. why isn't going back to the fact the reason we got into this is what happened with bush and his administration and obama had to pull us out of

that. nobody was complaining about hutdown and all these problems that happened. host: we'll leave it there. guest: republicans were hitting deficit spending that the budget that the cr isn't addressing the deficit problem. you put two words on a credit card and didn't pay for them and that's why we have deficit. the war funding is an interesting element. it was a fight between democrats and republicans. democrats cut spending. how they arrived at savings in their bument and republicans said those numbers aren't realistic. host: trnt republicans say thrg have been increases in spending by the obama administration at pushed the debt from five

or six years ago guest: how much debt there was when president obama came to office and how much debt there is now. that is the consistent argument it's getting worse. when you compare the ryan budget to the senate democrats budget there is a different pace of spending, both of them increase spending over time but the democrats by a lot more. host: go ahead bob. caller: we won't really know what's in this thing until the cover is pulled off. we can't trust the media to tell us the truth. and you should really when you have politico on, you should mention if you have a conservative on you will say they are a conservative outfit but never with politico which s a very left out fit based on

msnbc that pew research says it's 85% biased. thank you and have a wonderful day. guest: i would say call it like it is and run it down the middle which looking at this budget there will be a lot for all of us to find. host: go ahead wendy. caller: i was calling about the obama care and about our deficit in the united states. my feeling is that many workers across america have lost their insurance and have gotten lower wages because of companies down sizing or lower profits. our government is broke but we we still pay our government workers very high wages given excellent pay insurance. maybe it's time to decrease their wages and decrease their

insurance they have a payment to pay for their insurance like many americans are experiencing across america or do away with insurance like many companies have done across america. guest: it's an interesting point you bring up about people losing their insurance. there say directive for the c.b.o. to count the people losing their health insurance because of obama care. this was something that got democratic and republican to get done in this budget which they are going to try to cap this and see is it happening and how much is it occurring. host: the house approved their 318-1109. or c.r. by

03 republicans and 115 democrats voted rest. john jon tester voted no. so now that these two measures have been passed, what happens next? guest: the c.r. goes to the president so he's able to sign this bill and make it law. host: without going to conference? guest: it's the same bill. the house passed a verlings. it was sent to the senate. they amended it and sent it back to the house. it was very schoolhouse rock of them and got it done in a way that makes seasons to most people following along. host: go ahead deal. you're on the "washington journal" with ginger of politico. >> i think it's absolutely amazing that we're going to

have a discussion about keeping the government open. that should be a no brainer and it blows my mind we're actually having this discussion. when i go to work i don't have a discussion about keeping the company open which we all want to keep the company open. we're going to spend a lot of time this late in the game to keep the government open. it's absolutely amazing and thank you very very much c-span. host: is this the last time we're going to have this discussion? guest: probably not. we've seen this trend toward deadline make or break and get something done right now way to handle things. president obama has said he want to move away from this. he want a grand bargain. we're not there yet which we got a debt ceiling debate that's going to be coming in the next few months. while they passed two budgets they haven't gone through the

whole process. we could continue with a number of stop gap measures keeping government from shutting down until someone comes to a big agreement. host: on our line for republicans, go ahead. caller: thank you sir for taking my call which really enjoy c-span. i don't get to watch it much due to the fact i'm in school monday through friday. i'm an american government teacher and have been for the last 19 years and i have a question the for your young lady. i would like her to define the word politico. that's the first question. number two, what is frightening for the student i face daily and have faced for the past 19 we now the fact that govern by party, we don't

govern by the constitution. ealthcare not mentioned in the document. not expressly or interntly mentioned by the document. if washington would have thought it was important, it would have been in there. secondly resolutions as you mentioned are not binding and all it does is increase the burden of debt on my students 52,000 dollars $ already. american households are in debt to the tune of $150,000 plus. host: you've given us a lot to work with. what level do you teach? caller: high school. 12th graders. u.s. government. host: if you go to our website

you'll find all sorts of information that could be helpful in helping your kids understand the operation of u.s. government. caller: yes, sir, have used it in class on numerous occasions. thank you so much for c-span which i really enjoy it. hypofirst, define politico. >> guest: it's politicals and what is going on. hat is what a politico is. healthcare continues to be a big debate in congress and we saw multiple attempts last night from republicans to repeal parts or all of the healthcare law. it's a debate still being had. we talk about the constitution. we had a ruling on it. the democrats are riding high a little than knowing that the courts ruled in their favor. but it's not stopping anyone

from making the argument they think it's unconstitutional and it should go ahey. host: you mentioned what was passed this morning is a non-binding resolution was passed in the house. if they are non-binding what is the point? guest: it's still a way to know where a lot of members stand. when the carbon tax amended or want to create one failed, republicans cheered. it was a good sign that maybe the president's climate change policy isn't going to do well. it's elections. it's writing campaign ads because they can go back and say they voted this way on this, this and this. host: we're talking with ginger gibson, she's a congressional reporter with politico. she covered newt gingrich and

mitt romney during the 2012 campaign. as worked with the star lenler covering governor chris christie and state politics and did some work with the news journal in delaware from may 2008 to november 2010. vered the gove more's office involving kristin o'donnell. go ahead. caller: i'm a recently retired government worker and looking at your title congress avoids government shutdown. for years government has run on continuing resolution which only allows the government to spend at the amount that it spent last year. the price of things are going up. if they can freeze the amount

that the government can spend or the that the consumer can spend, why can they not control the amount that people are charged for? my question would be this also, congress controls the purse strings. all congressmen have staffs. if they got people that are supposed to be working, these continuing resolutions, they or the sequester or any of this does not affect them. but it affects normal people. guest: there is a lot of staff on both sides of the aisle working hard. there were a loft of them there until 4:00 or 5:00 this morning. the sequester is going to affect some of their pay checks. so it does affect a lot of people. why can't government keep spending was his question? it's politics. they are siding one another

putting deadlines, they are setting cliffs to try to make things happen. host: one of the headlines in the aniston they will delay notices for this for about two weeks as officials analyze the impact of a new spending bill. the delay comes as the officials from theto wrangle unpaid leave requirement. 10% could be exempt from the furloughs.

even though the sequestration is still in effect, how is the money going to be distributed? who decides who goes on it for love? guest: the sequester was across the board and cut everything indiscriminately and left them with a little bit of wiggle room. the cr went into very specific places and restored some funding to a lower level. defense was based on the list of people that got money back. it is not surprising. defense spending can generally get bipartisan agreement the meat inspectors were looking at furloughing their employees for two weeks. it could shut down almost all meat production in the country. they have restored that and they're looking at possibly

avoiding those. they will figure out if they can do it and the bill and the numbers are complicated. host: here is a headline from one of your competitors -- back to the phones -- kingston, ill., on our line for republicans. caller: i have been a republican for years and years. it is not my great- republican party anymore. i am worried because i feel sorry that i am a republican but

i feel sorry for the republicans. they are not doing so well and i could not get away with the gop does at their jobs at my job. i feel sorry for them. what i worry about most is granted paul. i am --rand paul. and i am an old time lutheran. rand paul is not to be trusted. it is important to know exactly the religion of our candidates. there is nothing more important. host: she is gone. guest: rand paul's father is a christian and religious man. the republican party is going

through rebuilding and redesign and try to figure out what they will do and rand paul could be a big part of that. he had a filibuster on the floor and i'm sure we will be hearing his name more in the future. host: mechanicsville, va., go ahead. caller: i have a question -- when you are debating about the budget, why do they continue to put amendments in there that have absolutely nothing to do with - the budget? guest: that the great question. it's because they can. there is a role in the senate that says they can attach strings to the budget and no one can stop them. given the opportunity that senators have, they took it. mideast policy got involved and to guns and so they did whatever they wanted to do. that was on full display. host: that was not covered in the lessons proffered by "school house rock."

you talked about briefly but you can expand about how the in the congress over the budget on the house side and the senate side is redefining the republicans and to a certain extent of the democrats --

guest: they both put their political playbook in this. the paul ryan budget is what he ran on before and what many republicans wanted to get behind. the medicare voucher change was something the democrats saw as red meat and it ran their budget to be anti-paul ryan. as a result, there were both out there using their fights and talking about what they thought were -- or the core principles. we saw some republicans talking about balance. they thought they were winning that discussion and the democrats said protect the vulnerable. host: next is juanita from cincinnati, ohio. caller: i have a comment about the cr but i also want to help out the young man who called

from germantown. i was not surprised not to see the continuing resolution go through. i don't think the republicans want to be seen as the ones closing down the government. as far as the young man from germantown, i am a retired medical librarian. he can go through the nih and access the library of medicine computer database and goes to the state repositories and get information that talks about health care from the end of the 18th-century. it was on the minds of our founders. he can get that information. you have a good day and thank you. guest: republicans don't want to shut down the government.

the republicans will tell you that shutting down the government is bad politics. they did it once before in the 1990's and it did not work well for them and they don't want to do it again. elementprobably an here. host: next is ron in san antonio, texas, on our line for republicans. caller: how can we afford to give egypt $200 billion if we cannot keep airports open? guest: they were arguing last night that the u.s. could not give any more aid particularly to egypt. determine mendez made the case against that that foreign aid plays an important role in our

diplomatic ties in keeping stability. they want to take some of the money out of foreign aid which was a late night amendment. i suspect we will continue to hear about that. host: when does the president to weigh in on this? guest: he was supposed to have sent a budget already to congress and did not. we expect to see a budget from the white house and the next couple of weeks after the deadline. that will be when he gives his own version and then we will have three versions. we saw him go on his charm offensive and start to have conversations with republicans and that is where he will play a role to broker an agreement. he is trying to get a grand bargain. that is where his role will start to come in. host: what is the purpose of his tardiness? guest: republicans will say it

is because they could not force a vote on it. the white house says they are still putting the budget together. we will see something eventually and it will be interesting. host: is it likely to look more like what was passed between the house and senate and what it might of looked like before those two chambers passed their respective bills? guest: i wish i knew. we know the president has told republicans he is willing to give on entitlements and willing to do changes to medicare and social security that was not done the democratic budget. he wants to bridge the gap. host: back to the telephones. our next call comes from ed in -- from pennsylvania. caller:if t-boone pickens was correct that we use $300

per year by oil from country and we could use $60 billion of our own, keep it here in america instead of supporting the terrorism and harry reid as the senate leader hasn't passed a budget in four years -- we treat politics like it as a sports event instead of our future instead of team win. things bother me. guest: you will hear more talk about oil especially around the keystone pipeline which remains controversial. it is something we will hear more about looking at the oil numbers. also liquefied natural gas is a big issue that republicans will push for.

the belt way thinks it is a sport. we watch on both levels. many of look at numbers and policy. people might have to pay more for a hamburger at the meat inspectors get laid off so we look at if this is selling their point. host: regarding messaging war, what will the message be from the democrats and republicans as they go back to their districts over the next two weeks? guest: democrats will tell constituents that they protected the vulnerable through medicare and they stop republicans from turning it into a voucher and republicans will tell their constituents that they brought down the deficit and they are trying to end the debt. that is the republican message. host: surely in iowa on our for democrats --

iller: one of the things learned from the"financial times"was they said that we went to a single payer, we would save hundreds of billions of dollars per year and we would not be having all these fights over the budget. another thing -- why don't we have more talk of this program about what other countries are doing? orael has single payer something close to it. would we call them communists because they have that? i don't think so. the company that i work for in des plaines, a medical insurance company, now charges 60% overhead. real we have some

conversations with people who know what they are talking about? guest: single payer is an issue that we have seen in this country. it will probably not be a while until we see it debated again but it is an issue. you can point to other countries that use different systems and politicians make their points. host: talk to us about some stuff going on behind the scenes regarding lobbying and folks making a pitch. guest: defense is complicated. the people that are contractors working for the department of defense are the kind of industry that will make sure they go in and talk to those guys. a lot of industries are that way but defense as a whole is very bipartisan. nobody wants to vote against a

defense. we are seeing a new brand of libertarians like rand uaul and others say it is okay to cut defense. running not the ones the show. host:jim in iowa, on our line for republicans. caller: good morning and thank you. i have a question about the extended unemployment that is being funded by the federal government. were there any changes in that? guest: there were some changes under the sequester. i am not aware that they restore any of that but it could be wrong. i believe that remained intact. it looks like the levels they recommended will probably remain. from next up is anthony

edison, new jersey, independent. caller: what is our government doing to help us? host: is your biggest concern about the way government is being run? caller: it is like a tit-for- with each other. they are not working for the people. they are working for each other. all they're concerned about his lobbyist money. they work for lobbyists or campaign money. if they work for us, we would be in good shape in this country. they worry about what they will get. why should they care if it does not affect them? guest: that is a very cynical perspective there and maybe a right one. i don't know. republicans talk about how the country cannot survive on debt. democrats talk about the company is never going to grow or get bigger unless they make

investments. they think government should make investment and ground the economy. host: bob from idaho on our line for democrats, good morning. caller: our garment has to change. -- our government has to change. earnmakrs is against our constitution. we have to go to a clean system with a thumb print that will protect people. we need to do something with a house and the states to control their own housing with better schools and better teachers, thank you. guest: the school issue has up a lot.

how to regulate and fund schools? they are talking about block grants on medicaid which helps people. beings something still debated as to what role the fed vs. the state plays. host: has been talk in the news recently about closing schools in chicago and detroit. is there anything in the continuing resolution that would help keep the schools open? guest: the schools are dealing with different problems and i saw the sequestered, really affecting schools on military bases and in tribal lands and poor areas. they are having their own problems like chicago and detroit. it is compounded by sequester issues but there's not much for them in that legislation.

host: the caller also mentioned earmarks. guest: we heard this morning at 2:00 a.m. with a ban on earmarks, they brought up a bill and then they turned it down. host: barbara on our line for republicans -- caller: what is the purpose behind sequestered because it does not help the people being sequestered. we are also tax payers. if you take 20% of your budget and cut it, these are the people paying it your taxes and the next thing you tell them is next year at tax time, you have lowered their budget, how does that make up for all the money that gets lost to the government that they need right now to fix these situations? guest: sequester was an idea o